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Amanda1
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« on: December 18, 2007, 09:43:39 AM »

In the shiur on hilchos shabbos the rabbi discussed the isser of eating before kiddush and before davening. We are not chiyuv for kiddush until after shemone esrei. However, if that is the case can we make kiddush in the morning before davening and eat breakfast before shul if there is no chiyuv yet?
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« Reply #1 on: December 18, 2007, 03:13:37 PM »

Thank you for your question.  You cannot make kiddush before davening, as you suggest, because the kiddush must be recited bemakom seudah (in the context/location of a meal) and you cannot eat that kind of meal before davening.  Accordingly, the kiddush could not properly be made bemakom seudah.  R. Shimon Isaacson
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« Reply #2 on: December 19, 2007, 10:51:52 AM »

Thanks Rabbi. I have another question though. What if you say morning brachos then make kiddush, then eat, then go to shul and finish davening? What if you are pregnant and cant wait to eat until after davening? What do you do then? Thanks.
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« Reply #3 on: December 20, 2007, 12:18:00 PM »

If this is a question halacha lemaaseh, I would suggest asking your local posek, but generally speaking, I would say as follows:  If in general, your practice (even during the week) is to follow the Magen Avraham, namely, to satisfy the basic obligation of davening through a minimal tefilla (such as berachos), then on Shabbos it would be fine to say berachos, make kiddush, eat, and then daven the rest of tefilla after having eaten.  However, if your practice is like the Mishneh Berurah, to daven shacharis and mincha each day, then one should really not eat a meal (nor say kiddush) until after shacharis.  In the case, however, of a pregnant woman who really needs to eat to start her day, then for the period where she has this need, she can (and perhaps should) rely on the Magen Avraham -- say berachos, make kiddush, eat, and daven the rest afterwards.  KT, R. Shimon Isaacson
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